Gilles and Felix told me (Tkolektivnos (Ecollectiv), words, worlds)

By admin | Published: 29/08/2010

Gilles and Felix told me they wrote the book that forms a rhizome with the world. That there is an aparallel evolution of the book and the world. That the book assures the deterritorialization of the world, but the world effects a reterritorialization of the book, which in turn deterritorializes itself in the world (if it is capable, if it can).

Gilles and Felix also told me about plateau. They told me that a plateau is always in the middle. There is always something before and something after plateaus. They told me  that the rhizome is composed of plateaus, as it continuously deterritorializes and reterritorializes into infinite new plateaus. The rhizome and the plateau are both always between things, which guarantees their continued growth and existence. Although the plateau cannot return to what precedes it, it always moves on, becoming something else, moving towards the next plateau.

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What really happened

By admin | Published: 28/08/2010

We gave ourselves a task to report, what really happened in the Odnos-Celje project, a 4-day work that we made, both in Ljubljana and in Celje.

What happened in Ljubljana?

Starting with the list of words which arrised from the previous ateliers as a response to improvised movement sessions. We took a word by word and “moved” them. Limited with time, we stopped moving each word when a phone sign told us that the time is up. This was followed by a feedback session, in a sense we gave impressions on just made work and we wrote those impressions down in their raw, fresh state.

Now we have a text that some places reminds on poetry, other places on a personal footnotes and yet other place looks like a letter to a close friend.

Definitely a lot of  useful material to work on…

What happened in Celje?

-a pleasant surprise in a form of a positive approval of our expectations
-a begging of new friendships
-an important connection between older (us, he he) and younger (them) into a curious and creative group of new Us.
- a perfect day :)

Andreja

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What page are we on – 3rd day

By admin | Published: 27/08/2010

Jaka told me that word “no” is somewhat attractive.

In Celje (Plesni Forum Celje) we were joined by young dancers (age 10 to 15) on our invitation. We introduced briefly the context of the project, the aim of this project and this particular session. This was third day of work for core members. We decided to research the list of tools for improvosation, this time of course with youngsters. Each impro lasted 3min and last one 6min. One of us introduced the word, everyone decided weather they will be observing or dancing. At the last impro we suggested that you can go from dancing to observing while the impro. After each impro there was short feedback.

Before going to impro Gregor did a short warm up. Maja took over with game of names and game of associations.

Please see here for some intro, here and here for the 1st day and here for 2nd day.

Join – pridružiti se:
-lots of people, lots of energies
-to directly connect to a person, after i joined to people, i could also join to objects
-joining is a bit an imitation
-at times to join and to imitate mixShift – preklopiti
-a very abstract thing because i could not visualise, i wanted to approach more clearly, so i did with my body, flipping from front to back for example
-shifting has a trap, a loop, we entagled up all time, we created a type of automatism
-the group was able to devise a theme that came as proposition in the improvisation, as the theme persisted it created rather humorous situation
-well shaped and articulated music and game with soundsSnježana introduces/suggest for observers to say stop. Then all improvisers stop and go out of stopped position in their own timing.

While feedbacking the game created in Shift impro, some kids continued the game and this lead to organically choose the next word, which turned out to be „No“.

No – ne
-word „no“ is enjoyable
-i was sad, there were also happy moment like snapping with fingers and jumping
-we started a game and then came denial, restriction, friction that stopped the game. We started a new game and the same it was stopped by „no“
-as Tonka pushed me, we were not in good terms, then we became friends and then again quarreled
-the „stop“ order opens new possibilities for continuation of established scene

Gregor suggests to sum up experienced in one word only.

Add – dodati, dodatek
playful, asobi (game in japanese), Adachi Tomomi, awesome, happiness, game, connectivity, interesting, watching, adding, ichi ni san ši (one two three four in japanese), surface, intertwining, acumulation, abundance,

Join + No
-dynamic, fun, hard, playful, hotchpotch, tension, circus, unusual, special, all through the way „uuuuuuuuu“, objective, black, connection

Conclusion
-enjoyed that all the work was connected and done through playing games
-one could relax while doing/working and still get something useful from the session
-enjoyed improvisation and excersies
-we did know each other and still we could connect and relax with each other quite quickly
-we get to know each other, synchronize and connect through improvisation
-there was little or no uneasiness/awkwardness
-we could work together independently of generation we come from/belong to
-opened, youthful in research of words, notions, movements, dance
-no hindrance and curtains between us
-enjoyed that there were no fixed roles: that some should sit all the time and some should dance all the time
-you can join the impro if you want, at class you must do the whole training
-there was more time to work on it (3 hours instead of 1 hour)

Part of the group came with Snježana from Maribor. On the way they were playing the following game:

Pause-Repeat-Cobine Game
1.Pause. Start with normal discussion. The suggestion is to make a break/pause at any point of speech. You decide on your own when you do the pause and how long you hold it. The extra suggestion here is to use movement in the pause by manipulating a gesture that you were at when you paused the talking.
2.Repeat. One inserts the sentence. Other person repeats the same sentence. One can repeat your own or others’ sentences using different qualities of the speech: melody, accenting, speed…
3.Combine. Combine pauses and repetitions. This creates rhythm, rotations, complex composition. This naturally leads to playing with meanings.

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The need for speed

By admin | Published: 26/08/2010

I come from the round table talk entitled “The Art of Engagement” talking about the politics and art. There were also some people from visual arts. One of them said that visual art goes even more radical then other arts in relation to social and political position of art.

What about dance?  As opposed to visual art, dance does not have such a richness of critical thinking in written word. And that’s why in Federacija we put this as one of our priority: to encourage talking, writing, thinking about dance, performing arts. We can do it from our part, ie by doing dance and think about it and write about in and publish it. Even if it is only blog entry.

And this session of Ecollectiv the writing, thinking, talking is a crucial part of how to proceed in this project. That engages me so much that I look for nearest cafe bar with wireless and write this post, even though a bunch of stuff to be done wait for me (neatly arranged by GTD system he he).

And further above mentioned thought is one of the confirmation of adequate way of working we are treading on at Federacija, ie concerning creation, production, education and research of dance.

And personally I found for the first time a field about which I feel worth writing a blog about. Gregor

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What page are we on – 2nd day

By gregor | Published: 26/08/2010

This day we activated the role of observer while continuing the work from yesterday. It turned out that at this point observer is observer the whole span of improvisation. First with each improvisation another person of the group was observer. Later Jurij arrived and enjoyed the role of observer.

Solve – Razrešitev
-similar to answer
-tangled to get untagled
-i need a puzzle first
-taking smth on and releasing to it and accepting it
-overwhelmed by situavtion in life influenced my action
-open, simetry, solving life situation
-to solve is to relieve
-acceptance
-waiting with curiosity
-uncontained
-untwisted. Doing unusual movement to twist and unwist. Apporach with unusual movement.

After short discussion realising: by going through the list we are not just researching and through research devising the tools of improvisation. By doing this we are also devising the method, system, strategy of how group works and how we can go about organizing, producing such project as Tkolektivnos/Ecollectiv

Call – Priklicati/Klic
-in terms of movement research: made me think of a dancing as a way of physical behaving, as an idea, as a question
-calling was listening
-spice of searching
-second part Kaja called Ryuzo’s name – triggered another book, film
-finger on forehead … calling with body parts
-interesting performing and non-performative state, crossing the border between the two -concrete and abstract. Abstract and concrete connected to value: what do you connect to. To what you connect gives direction.
-response. I wanted to be called, put body as invitation. And then went aggressively to Kaja. That’s when she called me.
-unusuall movement – to do calling in body since connected to relativity
-(main thought – impression of sending in order to get backlistening
-abstract is connected to intensive and concrete to extensive

Deform – deformirati, preoblikovati
-deform and re-form the sense, relation, purpose, space … is not concrete
-cannot deform the body – since we do not know the body
-impossiblity of deformation of the body
-normalizations of the body
-organization is normalization
-deform the view of my focus, deform where is my front
-changing form is not the same as deform
-deforming as a tool for composition
-playful, indicator of the way person’s neurosystem functions
-deform comes from ouside

Inform – informirati
-be in the form
-showing in what form are you
-though the contact to inform other body in what form it is
-getting the information from the other’s body in what form it is
-what do i inform you of? Of my weight, softness, …
-inner form: inform inner part of my body
-how does my mind inform body, exchange between image and body
-how is my body being informed
-similar to tool call
-announcing
-introduce the world to me
-i saw you thinking and alone, then you came in contact
-devising the system to be able to work, communicate
-method of working
-we change teh method, purpose, theme

Pretend – pretvarjati se
-rich tool to explore
-pretending uses similar strategies as performing and dancing, that’s why they can seem as being interchangeable
observer
-more group impro, if „inform“ was more individual reserach
-to get away from something
-inbetween
-you have the word, yourself and what you want to do and projection of all that. Other people then step between projector and projection and interrupt this projection. We were constantly stepping inbetween and that made a tight group improvisation
-are you working on the word or on what is going on with you
-suggestion: eliminate walking from improvisation. waking is empty presence.
-trouble defining what is it . I came at the to the way it could – it could be an action that is trying to be done – it gets exaggerated – an action then repeats, and it changes by repetition, it gets exaggerated, it transforms but holds the form of original action
-i tend to do
-forced to use force
-i am avoiding on purpose that i would not have purpose of defining word
-i am imprinting this
-pretended to be a person to know everything
-i pretend i know what i should do
-pretend is from the surface. If you want to pretend you shouldn’t go too deep
-pretend is to slide
-if you practice pretending as being on a surface, you create depth in the very pretending. You need to surface up again.
-pretend is to seperate two state of yourself: one is surface and one is checking the depth

Solve / Pretending
-no walking – mental state reflects in physcial actions
-this problem should be solved
-list of states you do this
-following the surface of body/skin
-go into the deep side of the mental state = model of this diving in pretending
-analysis of state of affairs through action
-throwing attention
-two words were presences, present in space, two words space
-inbetween
-lost
-if inform was a group of individuals reseraching the notion of inform, pretend was a group improvisation of the topic, solve/pretend was inbetween group of individuals and individual group, an asynchornized explosion, as if parts of bomb would not explode at the same time

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What page are we on – 1st day

By admin | Published: 26/08/2010

Gregor told me to tell this is another recording of what Ryuzo wrote here

Pause – pavza, premor
-testing stamina
-stopping in between
-before arrival
-after departure
-using silence
-tuning silence
-refocus
-a lot happening on mental and physical level

Recall – priklic, najaz poklicati
-the trigger of a memory, action was gone, then this triggers gave a new push; trigger can be a space, whate someone did etc
-from back to front, then hold, then sorting it out, then reflect
-combination of physical and mental + people + space
-a situation that happened i put/project into my body.

Situate – vmestiti
-at first I felt it was connected to everything else, so I had strong relation to you. I was affected and led by your action
-imidiately, idea, how julyen and carme are dancing in the performance, filling in what was offered
-second sensation, finding a place like in butoh exercise, where you point to something in space in front of you, walking like this around the space until you arrive to the point where you point to yourself
-encapsulate
-when i situate myself, a situation takes place/is created. I become concerned about situation in which i am situated.
-precise, in between, two walls, human tetris, to fit in
-to put in context

Fill in – zaponiti, zapolnitev
-connected to filling out, to missing something. Thus missing must be filled in. Dealing with the missing part, dealing with the lack.
-to empty out, avoid, refuse
-not so precise, more rounded, volume, i felt „volumised“, filling in is limited according to capacity.

Answer – odgovoriti, odgovor
-needs a question, seeking for the question
-a clear unit, phrase
-reaction
-overwhelming pingpong schizophrenia, resonsiblity as ability to response

Imitate
-to release, in a sense it is easy to release tension, the vibration lowered, bolj prepustitev kot razpustitev,plunge into, imitation is/as a vacation
-i have nothing
-how to do a blind trio* with open eyes, liberation, just right focus
-dreamlike
-children’s game, in that sense it was very easy, so much material to use, but no obligation to use. Plenitude of everything, just take if you like/want. I can be Ryuzo, and for a moment i can be someone else.
-imitating is very much following
-i can be very creative when i don’t have to be

Follow
-i enjoyed it! my perception was sharp in reading mine and your decisions, clarifying decisionmaking, discovering
-feeding yourself with others, listening to dynamics and letting go
-smooth, advancing actively, tranquility and concentration helps to be a good follower, following is very beneficial
-is thinking about others, being conscious of others, others as everything present in space. Following stimulates thinking of other.
-a journey, start from the following and coming to the following, but its very positive, not without an exit but full of exits.

Imitate + Pause
-overwhelming in sense
-bunch of possible combination of imitate and pause
-they are beginning of the cosmos – influence each other
-overwhelming the influencing
-did the two tool melt?
-at certain point they melt (maja)
-distinguish two: physical imitate and mentally pause
-imitate pause for example
-very intellectual approach
-we started of rigid/rough and at the ending we started to be playful
-at which point / how did you go out of intellectuial way: imitating helped me, not to think doing it
-labirynth
-never melt (gregor)
-playfulness
-look for something specific
-finding entrances
-state of finding entrances is not bad by its nature and can take you somewhere
-imitate and pause combines, influenced (andreja)
-it is hard not to pay intention to others
-provoke more complex situations
-intellectual
-single & single (ryuzo)
-pause is minimizing
-pause is active place
-laughter is pause action
-laughter is imitation / contagious and shared

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Maja told me…the second day

By ryuzo | Published: 25/08/2010

Actually it was the first day of the 5th session of Odnos.
However, this blog post started from last day discussion.
So, it is the second day.

Maja and Ryuzo listed the words as tools for the improvisation some month before, which we are trying out.
Ryuzo attempted put his experience of slimy, unformed sensation of improvisation forcibly into the words, when he listed these words.
In this series of session, we try out something from these words,can be movement, can be some other words, can be something other.
It would be like this;
The slimy, unformed sensation →　words → unknown movements and/or emotion and/or sensation and so on.

After each trying out, we (Gregor, Andreja, Maja, Ryuzo) discuss our experience, as follows.

Pause – mentally? or physically? or both?; testing; anxious; re-focus; tuning; distinguish; silence; stop; in between; before arrive or not arrive yet;

Recall – to the people; to the space; project; memory; organization; trigger to unknown; action;

Situate - relation with environment; let the other’s action go;  fit in between; channel; fill; finding space; encapsulate;  context;

Fill in – izpraziniti; fill out; lacking; refuse; avoid; round; voluming; limited or infinitive capacity;

Answer – question; clear unit; reaction; overwhelming ping pong schizophrenic; response-ability;

Imitate – release intension – attention; plunge; water; The Blind Trio (*foot note will be soon); dream and ease; kids game – do the role of the other’s; get more creativity;

Follow - discovering, clear decision; feeding with the other; listening to dynamics; let it go; smooth; active progress; beneficial; tranquil; journey;

The combinations:

Pause +Imitate :

- At the first moment, I felt some kind of block, probably kind of intellectual block to do something, but Imitate then broke through the block. In this case, Imitate would be good entrance for the movement.

- At the beginning, I saw a rough scene of others. Then I felt a labyrinth of the possibility.

- the movement by the imitate, if it is continued, it is loosing its contents. e.g. laughing.

Pause – could be silence, minimize the sound inside body, slowing down.

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Maja told me…

By ryuzo | Published: 24/08/2010

This is a training to summarize the other’s talking.

I have no implicit meaning under this title of post.

Actually it is even not be the summarization so much I am writing below. It is merely some fragments of their talking from my bad memory.

I am confronting how difficult to remember the other’s talking.

Actually “Maja told us” is right. However, I would like to personalize this text more, that’s why I chose such a title.

Maja told me that it would be better to find our common definition of the words, which we are using in the discussion for our session Odnos.

Gregor told me that it is important to make the documentation, which the observers make during and after the session, someone does something, and someone observes it.

Andreja told me that next 4 days session should not be specialized for new participants. It would be better to do our normal session and invite them to join.

Kaja told me that we should not have too complicated rules nor even just so deep explanation about our session for new participants. It would be better to have simple and easy-understandable, like a children’s game.

I am waiting for someone will add some supplement or correction.

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About weakness

By ryuzo | Published: 14/07/2010

To write about weakness is much more difficult than to write about “strong”.

Is it because weakness is that which should be gotten over?
Or does my intention inclines toward being strong?

It is like “Do not give up so quickly and endure to continue”
Or “Do not complain so easily”.
To get over the weakness would invite some ideologies.

Also like it is represented by a name “the weak in the society”, the weakness can be connected to the moral without difficulty.

If one interprets weakness into fragility, it would arrive at aesthetic.

One says the beauty of the culture of Japan would be the beauty of weakness.
Japanese people have traditionally taken account of such states, brittle, fragile, weak and ephemeral.
On the contrary, aiming to a state beyond such weakness, and longing to reach “ruin – death” . It has become an ideology.

What about to make a dance, which has a theme “weakness”?

Such a dance piece which would have weak dancer, weak body, weak intention, weak mind, weak movement, weak composition, weak choreography, weak existence, weak relationship, weak concept, weak presence, weak idea, weak image, weak music, weak scenery, weak synopsis and any way the manifestation as dance is so weak.

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M – new dates and new ideas for new versions

By gregor | Published: 07/07/2010

Just got the news that we will be performing M 25th 26th and 27th Sep in Stara mestna elektrarna in Ljubljana. Great!

The same day I get the sensation and idea that M can be expanded to more people on stage in newer versions of M2. This ideas supports and develops one of the key elements of the project: to work on identity. In a way the identity of mother and Marjeta is spread over more people/performers and vice versa, Marjeta comes to have more opportunities to become other on stage in from of others.

Seems like and expensation period is dawning on me since with Tina we are planning to develop Kapital performance further and with Dragana we are already expanding it. How? The future holds the answer, this moment the key.

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